3) The influence of attribute on the outcome is non-linear. Please, support us by turning it off for our site. Positive or negative, in order to continue to iterate on the multi-layer network, knowing that iteratively produces the best 11-person combination that AI thinks.We trained about 140 machines for 3 weeks, simulated 40 million games, and got convergence results.5. Or for FM? Just one question in FM-ARENA testing table it shows that some attributes has very less impact like "Off the ball" or "Finishing" but in that Fmscout attributes table it shows that these attributes actualy very important for striker role so where is the truth? I would also like to derive the positions not covered.I will have a play and update it next week. In this essence, they play more of a fullback role in supporting the midfield. Mark said: OK so I had a quick play with the ratings files. Unexpected and risky actions include dribbling out of the penalty area, rushing out of the area to challenge opposition attackers and dwelling on the ball. Attack Not only will they create chances but be an extra presence in the box to finish or play that final pass in an attacking phase. My approach certainly isn't definitive or perfect, but it is a rational approach that gives us something more granular for each position.I hope this helps. Looking at and testing through both ratings files from. Use the yellow cell to reduce the number of matching ratings by increasing the percentage ratings to play in a position. Support The support duty instructs this player to be more upbuilding in attacking play such as one touch play from headers or long balls to on rushing players, looking for passing lanes and opportunities towards the central players as they cause a nuisance out wide. I learned this from last years attempt. He did a test and set all the "unimportant" attributes ( according to the attributes rating table ) to 1 and few important to 20 and he easily won the EPL. (same as your tactics ). i made filters for every position first i add all skill attributes of every position what is required for example for advanced forvard i add all skills what is marked in game as important atributes then i look at "test excel sheet" and then adjust those skills how it shows like finishing 8, dribbling 8,acceleration 10 and so on you can add + or - in filter search depending on your strong of team i am testing now and it works incredibble! Being published here means more exposure and recognition for you. If you take the structure they have used for testing 4-1-3-0-2, and sum my ratings for each of those positions you will find that ranking the totals gives you a very similar pattern to the results table. What do I mean by this, well have a look at the screenshot below. Expand Ohh please can you upload as FM suited files??? ZaZ said: This is the FM Genie Scout filter based on the study of ykykyk05251 for best attributes for each position of Blue 3.0 RPM (aka Blue DM). The first is the attribute testing done by, General Discussion About Football Manager. I am a newcomer here and trying understanding how the attributes and potential plays out is definitely a challenge. If you go to your Squad page in the game and then to Analyst Report and Comparison, you can see how your current squad compares to others in your League on each Attribute. Expand It's for Genie Scout. hello, can your new file be used on genie scout 21? fm-arena.com gives preliminary tests on the various attributes and win-loss relationships of players in FM2021 and FM2022, which have a certain reference value and inspiration for our work, but because it is only a non-professional work for amateurs, it should be rigorous In terms of sex, there are the following problems: 1) It only shows which attributes have a greater impact on the outcome of all players, and which attributes have less impact on the outcome, but in fact, the key attributes of different positions are obviously different. At some stage I intend to complete last years save. They will be with their defensive partner(s) in working to break up attacks, preventing the ball from going into the box and marking opposition as a part of your tactic. Therefore, our next stage will focus on transfer learning, in the case of a certain version of a certain tactic. OK so I had a quick play with the ratings files. : That's just my setup, Mark could very well be much better. Anticipation, Composure, Concentration and Decisions also affect how well a decision is made whether to punch or catch. Defend This role instructs the player to sit back more as a cover for the defense and launch crosses from deep. I've been picking players with accordance to the attributes rating table for long time and it's been working like a charm to me. The box-to-box midfielder is the support player in a squad. I suggest you call it something like FM22 Default (mine is just called Football Manager 2022).Then load my rating file.Now your Genie Scout should show ratings as per my calculations. in link its only GRF file :/ Expand There isn't much what to do there. Whereas Acceleration and Pace are relevant to almost all positions and mainly top two for most positions.Assuming that the attributes table results are the same for all positions is not correct. Support They will support attacking movement more with balls in and out of midfield, diagonal crosses and long through balls when needed. Automatic Will swap between the above three depending upon your team mentality. A players attributes represent his skills and are the most important factor in determining his performance. The guiding significance for training, the attribute is occupied by the CA, in order to cultivate the tactical real CA For the highest player, we can cultivate the most cost-effective attribute. Is this the correct way to do this? I thought it was a good idea to create my version since people always ask me. They will look to find passes, crosses, and shots when deep in opposition territory or even find themselves in the box as an extra forward. I learned this from last years attempt. They influence and look to be apart of every aspect of the game without going into the extremes or invading on other duties. He did a test and set all the "unimportant" attributes ( according to the attributes rating table ) to 1 and few important to 20 and he easily won the EPL. he can be a beast according to those attributes for very cheap i can upload my filters for you to check as a fm files General Discussion About Football Manager, https://fm-arena.com/table/13-fm22-attributes-ratings/, https://www.mediafire.com/file/tdd07q0z4zh29me/Power+attributes+2.rar/file. The official Football Manager site can be found at footballmanager.com and the official forums can be found at community.sigames.com. I suspect they will be fine for last years game but I haven't tested it. amazing stuff! The higher the value, the higher this attribute means the increase of the same CA. Expand Thanks for the thorough analysis, Mark. The weightings have only been developed by position and not across all positions so need adjusting in terms of weight for each position. amazing stuff! Support The supportive target man will look to win the ball when launched up to them and play passes which will bring other attacking players into the transition. All rights reserved. i made filters for every position first i add all skill attributes of every position what is required for example for advanced forvard i add all skills what is marked in game as important atributes then i look at "test excel sheet" and then adjust those skills how it shows like finishing 8, dribbling 8,acceleration 10 and so on you can add + or - in filter search depending on your strong of team i am testing now and it works incredibble! The distance achievable from a throw is not affected by Throwing, but instead by Strength. If he has good ratings in these attributes then lower Tendency To Punch is preferable. Stamhey, just wanted to let you know that we have a fb style chat for our members. absolutly different for fm-arena filter test! Support Less defensive responsibility and more the traditional wide player who will look to cross the ball early, run past the opposition or pass inwards to the midfield to recycle possession or progress forward. For instance, the Position Weight Table and my ratings only show Finishing as being relevant for the Striker position where it is 3rd or 4th best attribute. This question comes up a lot on the forum. So I downloaded genie scout, uploaded the ratings and everything. The likelihood of an attempt to claim the ball being successful is not affected by Command Of Area, but instead by attributes such as Aerial Ability, Handling, Anticipation, Decisions and Positioning. Anticipation, Composure, Concentration and Decisions also affect how well a decision is made whether to rush out. Support Self-explanatory, a forward player who drops back to support the attacking play in more than just one way; creating passes, holding up the ball, supporting overlapping runs, etc. Last year I put everyone on acceleration lol (. On FM Scout you can chat about Football Manager in real time since 2011. Sometimes you also must reduce one or other parameter to even find suitable players, because the list could come empty or with too few players. Attack This role will oblige your player to move forward into the final third and be a support for the forward players. Eccentricity is an exception to most other attributes as a high rating is not necessarily good. Attack Similar to the above but they will make their presence more known by forcing the opposition wide player(s) back with their attacking forward movement or overlapping/underlapping runs into the box once laying off the ball to a central player (your tactics permitting of course). Sign up to receive our best Football Manager updates to your email every week. Contents. Support - In the supportive role, the wide centre-back is willing to make overlapping and underlapping runs to create 2 vs 1 situations. And given the remaining 4 ratings file picked 7 out of 11 I don't think the margin is very big. So the attributes ratings table is real deal. Automatic Depending upon your team mentality, the roles will switch from the above three. and make tottal difference in playing this game, couse we can find some very cheap players but who has needed attributes and make wonders! These are the ones I am interested in. The weightings have only been developed by position and not across all positions so need adjusting in terms of weight for each position. Higher Communication means that there will be more stability in your defence and less mistakes made. Stopper The stopper is the defender who will step up a bit more and close down players, marking earlier in the defensive plays. As it sits it favours Strikers and AMs too much and there are no GKs anywhere to be seen. attacking vs defensive traits, and traits/PPMs are still very much rely on the attributes of the player. This gives a sense of the value of each attribute for each position.I have used these pieces to calculate values or weightings for the Genie Scout tool. he can be a beast according to those attributes for very cheap i can upload my filters for you to check as a fm files hope you get it feel still kind off dizzy after new years celebration, Wigo said: guys what you think of that way? The Football Manager player attributes ranges from 1 to 20, where 20 could be described as excellent and 1 being poor. And the winners are (drum roll please):These are in order. The guiding significance for training, the attribute is occupied by the CA, in order to cultivate the tactical real CA For the highest player, we can cultivate the most cost-effective attribute. Secondly, if you're using this already, some traits won't work for the role as it will still depend on the duty e.g. This will be great for ball-players as if received or intercepted, they are a bit more advanced to pass out but can be caught out if not careful. As it sits it favours Strikers and AMs too much and there are no GKs anywhere to be seen. The limitation of this work is that it is not positional. 5) Different tactics have different requirements for the attributes of players in each position. Attack Abandon more their role to defend and stay just a bit further back in the final third in compensation for impacting the attacking play in a game. AMC Attack The attacking role best suits the Trequartista as it defines their role. Here are the results:Disclaimer: I have used players out of the positions identified in the results, but in the main they have played the positions indicated. I have a very busy weekend unfortunately. Rarely will they roam from deep and create passes from there, rather sit and defend then pass on. very interesting! Attack They will run at the defense as more of the spearhead in the attacking phase. This shows the testing of each attribute in FM22 and the impact of reducing the attribute score has on results. Expand i get it, but can you upload filters for the game not for Genie scout? I have only used ratings for the position selected. Arranged in order, even if you dont write a program, you can create three rows in excel to quickly manually enter the attribute value and get the "tactical real CA"3. The Coaching Attributes are put into practice while in Training. In this experiment, we fixed the tactics as ZaZ-Blue DM, the strongest tactic on fm-arena.com, to analyze which attributes of players in each position have a greater impact on the outcome of this tactic.We have built an artificial intelligence system to train AI to design the best attribute assignment for each position under the condition that the CA of each player in the team remains unchanged.The general process is as follows. www.guidetofm.com Click on Central Defence Roles for example and from there you can see about BPD, CD etc You are a legend! Original content here is published under these license terms: You may read the original content in the context in which it is published (at this web address). Wigo said: hey! For example, the test results have almost no impact on the outcome of shooting, but explosive power has a great impact on the outcome. Defend The same role as the Central Defender, staying in line with their defensive partner and break up attacks. Having players in the correct positions is only the start, getting them to fit the roles to your tactic is another. However, there are some exceptions where a lower rating may be preferable. You should check each of your players to see where the best improvements can be made and then set their individual training focus. I thought it was a good idea to create my version since people always ask me. Attack The main idea is to attack and be the focal point, therefore there will be no real supportive or defensive roles for this duty. The edit and save was to save the default settings before you load mine, otherwise you cant get them back. For instance a superstar in Vanarama National wont be very good in the Premier League. What do I mean by this, well have a look at the screenshot below. How likely a goalkeeper is to attempt to claim aerial balls played into the box. At some stage I intend to complete last years save. 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