That would be the Father, Son, and Spirit who would be considered separate, not one. For the record, I dont believe its a good idea to cite any human being Sproul, Calvin, or anyone else as evidence of what Scripture says. Okay, I have taken enough of your time. Thats undeniably false. I thank you for holding true to the message Jesus taught and the foundations we see from Genius to Revolutions. Unfortunately, thats not the case with everyone. As for did and could, do you really think that its okay to misquote clear passages of Scripture? If Im wrong, show me. Go find them! Pastor Steven Furtick (left), of Elevation Church, and Pastor Terrell Murphy, of New Birth Charlotte, pray together before a large crowd at the close of a shared service for the two churches at. The coverage of Furtick in the American Gospel series confirms this. Unbelief in Nazareth somehow kept Christ from doing all that He could. Im glad theyre alive, but that doesnt turn their rapists into benefactors. Joyce Meyer, greatest Bible teacher alive today . Fill out this form to submit a Letter to the Editor. He needed someone to show His nature through, so He made me and you. Partly cloudy. Elevation Church pastor Steven Furtick Pastor Steven to his ever-growing flock launched his Charlotte church in 2006. Finally, suggesting that he may be engaging in circumincessionism doesnt necessarily make things better, or more orthodox. Two responses: when Mark says Jesus could do no mighty works in Nazareth, He does not mean that their unbelief sapped His power. Thanks, Again, thanks. Search the scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit to lead you into the truth about this, and He will do it. There are plenty of Scriptures about not rejecting other believers simply because they dont yet understand all that Jesus taught. His disciples did not. First, I didnt call you irresponsible. Im not sure I can be more definitive than that, without pretending that I know things I couldnt possibly know. I think its important, on several levels. Its the result of twisting Scripture, not of careful study. The only thing I remember I was taught about the Trinity , is that as a human being we cant understand it. Having said that, great reading. In Romans 14, for example, Paul tells us that there are disputable matters. With all due respect to other writers of websites (and makers of videos, and tweeters of tweets), many who talk about false teachers are willing to call someone a false teacher simply because they disagree over disputable matters. Dont bother commenting or emailing me about how Im just wrong. When Christians talk about Jesus, they acknowledge that He is God. The verse reads your held accountable not your better and not the same we are all the Same under Gods eyes you need to address this I challenge you to show your accusations of this man I want to see proof not your own understanding because you are incorrect what the verse says that you are standing on.. and Ill pray your convicted to see the right over the wrong . You might then ask how to counsel someone whose children are being taught this error. Every life is a miracle and every child a blessing, true. I used to love Steven Furtick but now I see he is up there with Joel Osteen and all the other greasy guys. Furticks claim is that Jesus was powerless because of their faith. Unfortunately, based on his own words, hes not like that. When Furtick preaches, he's apt to refer to a TV show as well as a biblical scene. I am well too, thanks. When I spoke of the Great Commission, he was confused. For example, in that same passage, a narcigete would put themselves in Jesus place. You, or the writers of Scripture? The Elevation Church had its first service on 5 February 2006. Thats the reason that so many of the warnings in the New Testament say to not be deceived: to avoid that, we must know the gospel. When God tells us to not commit adultery, its not simply because He thinks we should avoid adultery its because adultery is contrary to who God is. The order is wrong. Paul wanted to be healed, but never appropriated his healing. 3. No worries. If you will, please answer one simple question: Do you agree that God is a molecular structure? As founder and lead pastor, he has helped grow the multi-site Elevation Church into . Simply put, not obstaining from the appearance of evil and not separating from the world. Steven Furtick has an estimated nt wrth f $55 mlln as of 2021. From start to finish, this is wrong. The thief on the cross was a special case. If healing belongs to us, why was Paul never healed? Do you know of any instances he may have snuck that in a sermon? Im very comfortable with that. I always wonder what they do with the verses about Jesusbaptism where all three members of the Trinity are present at one time. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. 2 Corinthians 12:7. Needs a dose of 1 Peter 5:5, as we all must! The implication, as taught over and over by these false teachers, is that we share Gods nature, and we can do the things He can do. No, Thomas I dont want to have the final say. As Paul notes, our glorified bodies will be just like His so, as far as Scripture is concerned, Jesus still has a body at this moment. As a teacher, Steven Furtick should be avoided. He puts humanity in the position of thwarting Gods will, which is a common idea among Word of Faith teachers. Its important to make sure we keep the question in mind. He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. And as Im reading your comments. Jakes, author Deepak Chopra, rapper and film producer Common, and Hamilton creator Lin-Manuel Miranda. Ive included a funny video below that you might like. Furtick says some false things, but on this scripture, I will stand with collaborating scripture and Matthew Henry. And when you get born again youve got that resurrection power but then youve gotta get that soul in agreement to where it sees it. While much of what Furtick teaches is true, too much of it is not and the things he gets wrong are big things: the character of God, His ability to do things, our ability to thwart Him, and so on. Thank you for all your help! This idea that we are able to limit God is held by many, if not most, Word of Faith teachers. Word of Faith teachers typically demote God and limit Him in ways that dont match Scripture. Thats a whole different situation, right? Weve gone back and forth a number of times, and Im not entirely clear on where you stand. "We knew it was not in desperate need for more churches. Second, we know that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. God bless and give you discernment. You have permission to edit this article. Muslims will say that Allah is perfect. Judge not yet you be judged. God the Father, son and spirit is one and same person in three forms to carry out different functions for man. Im curious as to who you are. But he went, and met Jody Jennings. What youve written makes it sound like you think thats unnecessary. Many years later, the Son became a human. It is very helpful. Why is that? Billing Address. Steven and Holly are blessed with three children; two sons, Elijah and Graham, and a daughter, Abbey. If you will, please answer VERY briefly these are the only options I can think of, so pick one: Please just pick one, or propose your own as briefly as you can. The alternative is heresy, as defined in the traditional, historic sense: limiting Gods power and ability to do what He wishes to do is a non-starter. I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. When you read Jesus words in context, you will see that He wasnt saying to not judge. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. Furtick, Steven (2017). Mostly Im concerned for the next generation. Thanks! Yes, were made in Gods image. But that miracle, that blessing is then construed as Gods approval of the sin that brought it about. Dont trust yourself. According to Christian Headlines, Steven Furtick, senior pastor and founder of Elevation Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, spoke Sunday from Luke 5:1-11 about Jesus asking Simon Peter to become his disciple. Wow, your example with children drives the point home WAY better than mine did. Steven Furtick is an interesting person, a gifted communicator, and probably a pretty nice guy. How about occasionally giving the gospel . He is rare he actually tells how life really is and tells his own fears and struggles that people can actually relate to. >> Jesus Himself said that He (as the Son) spoke nothing on His own. The law of the Lord is perfect (Psalm 19:7-10) and God could not break his own law for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4);thus Christ was undefiled sinless Lamb of God and therefore as priest and victim He would make the perfect sacrifice to atone for sin. You will RECEIVE salvation (passive voice). The church, which started in early 2006, has adopted a governance system that has Furtick answering not to a group of lay members, as in many churches but to a board of five out-of-town pastors he chose. But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. The word Sought covers a lot of ground. People shouldnt have to search the web to find out whether anyone claiming the name of Jesus is trustworthy but they do. The impulse to fake it is completely understandable but deception is not a valid church growth strategy. Furtick and Munroe teach that there are things that God wants to do, but CANNOT do. Theres a technical and legal side to this, too. Dont give up your frustration is evidence that the real thing is out there waiting. So: while we cant understand the trinity, we CAN explain what the Bible says about God. They are both real in the spiritual realm, (both already provided according to 1 Peter 2:24), yet only procured through faith, for by grace through faith are we saved (sozo). A new grant aims to preserve it. Salvation IS a huge deal but if our only concern was salvation, we wouldnt need most of the New Testament. Also as Christians, let us be humble and love one another. Theres nothing in Scripture that tells us that we can prevent God from doing anything He wants to do. Your comment is interesting. Steven Furtick introduced Pastrix Christine Caine to preach on a Sunday morning at Elevation Church. Even overseers are to be above reproach (1 Timothy 3), and Furtick is a teacher he is held to a higher standard by God, and we should recognize that fact. The Bibles descriptions of God tell us that the Son is not Father, the Spirit is not the Father, and the Spirit is not the Son yet they are all God, and there is only one God. Its not that I cant identify error, its that I cant know someone elses motivation. Note, Unbelief is the great obstruction to Christs favours. Can you please provide the date of the sermon you reference (or better yet, a link as most Furtick sermons are available online). Ill be drinking coffee and pondering more of your thoughts. He's built a church empire with his "feel good" preaching, attractive worship, and excellent packaging. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. The Law said that the wages of sin is death. Thats not an indication of limitation, and the very idea contradicts the rest of what God reveals about Himself in all of Scripture. Of course, I can tell that YOU dont really like me. They interact with one another because they are distinct from one another, as you and I are. It might be helpful for you to read What is a False Teacher. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. The number of times someone is right is irrelevant to the question of whether they also teach false things. Trinity is somewhat difficult to understand. Crash The Chatterbox: Hearing Gods Voice Above All Others. Typically, oneness folks will cut and run when asked to defend their view. Is it okay to sing the songs, but not go to the concert? "He said 'What about the dinosaurs? The question is not whether anyone can be saved at Elevation Church. Brey, a staffer at the Shelby church, agreed to go. There's also the cool factor, stoked by a marketing-savvy Elevation staff of flip-flop-and-T-shirt-wearing twentysomethings. As Paul taught the Romans (Ch. If your point is that hes not a false teacher, then you must agree with these things or at least think theyre inconsequential. Its not our words that save us. To suggest that God is not all-powerful goes against 3500 years of biblical witness, every bit of Judaic and Christian belief, and hundreds of verses of Scripture, both Old and New Testament. Have a great day! We should appreciate anyone who teaches us the truth, but that doesnt mean we should uncritically follow them when we see significant problems in their lives, in their ministries, and in their teaching. Ill ask you, quite simple: do you agree with this statement made by Steven Furtick? . Dont trust me. Early life and education [ edit] You have to see yourself healed [in your heart] before you see yourself healed [in reality]. Is Steven Furtick TRYING to pervert the gospel, or has he simply not yet been led into all truth? If you dont receive it in your heart, you limit what God can do. He did not make us multiple personality beings, but made us in HIS image. If you agree, we have a LOT of work to do. The first indication of a false teacher, and the easiest to spot, is with whom the teacher associates. People who are unwilling are often, in my experience, not actually interested in following Jesus closely. Appears to be a big fan of the Rocky movies. Admittedly, this is absolutely a rabbit trail but I am enjoying your feedback so I will press on. The Father wasnt speaking. There can be just one family. False teachers often try to make us read the Bible to see how God is trying to bless us. Ther very first time I saw Steven, he reminded me of someone very long ago named Reverend Carl H. Stevens of The Bible Speaks Ministry back in the 70s and 80s. Ive had to make these decisions on one of my other websites, Awesome Christian Music. So it cant apply to the whole Bible, or even to the whole New Testament. Jesus still has a body, by the way He didnt stop being human after the resurrection. First off it also said in the Bible that no one has the right to judge anyone but God this is the problem with the world today no compassion at all Steven furtick is a great preacher and has lead a lot of people to the lord another thing that the Bible said is jealousy is a sin and a lot of people get jealous and start speaking bad things about other people you know Im so sick of this if you are truly a man or women of God and a true Christian then we dont speak bad on others Jesus died on the cross for us so we can be saved this is not how Jesus is nor will he ever be!!!!!! Elevation Church was founded by Furtick in 2006 with just fourteen members. Heres something we can know with certainty: Gods power was not trapped in their perspective. Thats the direction of Furticks point, and its plain and simple evidence that hes comfortable pouring his own meaning INTO the text (eisegesis) rather than deriving Gods meaning OUT OF the text (exegesis). Every time I hear some of steven furtick motivational speeches my heart each time is just tore up about it thank u for digging and honestly confirming what Ive always felt each time he opens his mouth normally missing the mark isnt some huge extravagant bald faced lie, its subtle hence surely you wont die but we just like Eve are looking through our humanistic evil eyes (Ayin) its never been a physical death, always a spiritual death, resulting in our separation from God! This does not match what we see in Scripture. Yet, the difference between animals blood and Christ blood, is great. I appreciate your input: too many simply condemn people for being unbiblical, or heretical, without actually pointing to what they teach. Has a master of divinity degree from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. (Before that, he got a bachelors degree from Baptist-affiliated North Greenville University and graduated from Berkeley High School in his hometown of Moncks Corner, S.C.), 8. Even Sproul (who you quoted earlier) does so by saying The circumstances by which God the Holy Spirit unleashed [Christs] power were not available there, because there was a judgment of God on the town of Nazareth. All rights reserved | Privacy Policy. Instead, the New Testament is chock full of instruction and correction about how Christians should live, think, and act AFTER were saved. Feeling encouraged by a false message, confident when they should be repentant, etc. If the decision were mine, I would not allow a church music ministry to use songs by false teachers whether Jehovahs Witnesses, Elevation, Hillsong, or Bethel. Steven Furtick is a pastor, Grammy-award winning songwriter and producer, & New York Times best-selling author. The question isnt whether any teacher is right about some things. 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