This isnt an apologetics website, and frankly, most of us arent here to talk apologetics. So what were the Crusades and the Inquisition about, then? Proverbs 14:34. Your post, Mr. Smart, is disgusting for the same reason. I refuse to read anything to substantiate a belief in Scripture Alone, especially since Rome says there wasnt a definitive list of authentic scriptures. What's great about the Omega tattoo is that it can be placed just about anywhere. Everyone really is fed up with the excuses. Those are the remarks of a troll. Esau is the one with the consiracy theories. Would any rational person know that the pictures that Dr. White posted had only one aim, as he claims? What is so important about the pictures that they just cannot be taken down? He has contributed to more than twenty books. Name Server: I will claim that he has done the deadliest thing for a humorist: failed to make his audience laugh. How do you control Him, contain Him, market Him? The Revelation of Zechariah Dave Armstrong wasnt stoned to death for doing that. But if the persons demonstrate a pattern of being unable to carry on a rational discussion, your time might be better spent elsewhere. full stop. Hey, phone him up and see. Maybe instead of us responding with anger, we should all email him and say I dont agree with your interpretations, and I take offense to your pictures, but i just wanted to say, as a Catholic, May the peace of Christ be with you always Also, I think White could be justified in theory for running the pictures he did if, in fact, the Catholics who pleaded for his charity did so in a way that was frightening or threatening. Somebody bring me up to speed. The closest thing we have to a consensus is that a lot of folks think Mr. White is being childish, and that many of his defenders are counter-productive. All of the category error pussyfooting nicely dodges the real problem with the picture: White states an equivalence between people in the comment thread demanding charity (yes, in a predictable and certainly from his standpoint irritating fashion) with those who use violence and intimidation to silence their opponents. He takes things that are not and uses them to put to nothing the things that think themselves to be something. The Annals of King David[4] So its slander first and ask questions later. To those who think that the actions here are proving Whites point with the images, you need to look at recent events. And thats not actually a compliment Id give to everyone on the home team, so to say. Someone ought to send this to Dave Armstrong. (How exactly does one prove something is offensive?) The intention is often to provoke wry smiles and amusement rather than outright belly laughs. We specialize in cover ups, We are the first and last stop for all ink addictions. The bitterness and disdain you present with such loaded terms take away a lot of the impact your comments might otherwise have they tell all the RCs here that you have no respect for us, either as co-religionists or human beings. . the Bible teaches, attend a church that teaches the Bible! Were just happy to be there when God makes it happen. Do you also REJECT all those books that the Catholic Church rejected as NOT being part of that New Testament Canon? Paul, I was addressing the Roman Catholic apologetics community. alleges that critics of Lordship Salvation don't believe repentance is necessary for salvation. Oh, and for the record, I think sockpuppetry, silly parodies and similarly goofy tactics (like people who insist on being called doctor while at the same time using moronic photoshops) have no place in serious debate and/or dialogue. It would strain credibility to brag on one hand how your faith does not require membership in a given church or denomination (or non-denomination as they are called nowadays) and then come up with a definite list of denominations where your future children would not be saved, should they be raised there. I fully deny that White has in even the slightest way held to the high ground, and I deny that he is the most wronged. The Dubious Textual Variant, Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing, Chris Pinto vs. James White Debate Summarized, Speaking the Truth Is Dangerous Today/More on Jimmy Akin and Sola Scriptura. Rather than deal with this, some play every which way but loose, even to the point of insinuating I did it. I cannot relate to you the ugliness that came out of that event. That said, it does strike me as a tempest in a teapot. Jesus, With James Renihan vs. Marcus Borg and John Dominic Crossan, With Geoff Volker vs. Robert Strimple and Gary Johnson, With Robert Zins vs. Scott Butler and Robert Sungenis, Islam and Christianity: A Matter of Denial in Answering Islam:Countering Terror with Truth. Certainly not a serious one. If you are not a fan of the interlinked design, then you can also choose a clean and simple tattoo like this, with the omega and alpha symbols next to each other. Couldnt call him out on sloppy usage. If you have a question, just ask Jimmy directly, the way everyone else does. Especially the last two sections. Goodness, this is still going on? Or are you going to evade the question once again by mindlessly following the ravings of an Internet Apologist! Just who are you accusing here???? I have not yet met a good answer as to why we should accept such a logical fallacy as one of the central tenets of the Christian Faith. Muhammad was Constantine and the entire Christian episcopate rolled into one person. Some of us believe that Jesus fed the 4,000 with a few fish and seven loaves through a miracle of God. Nope. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 10, 2007 11:30:58 AM Admin Street2: Didnt you just point the finger at Catholic Answers that theyre the ones responsible for that and, in fact, you even maliciously charcterized it by your own words! I dont see how either you or White can demand that Jimmy drop whatever hes doing to give special attention to White. Was the Quran Reliably Transmitted from the Prophet Muhammad? Its cool though its not like this even matters in the long run, its the internet after all. When we do what we can to share it with you, you call us mean. Thank you for your contribution. I defended ChurchMouses posting of the information you needed to ascertain who obtained the url. If Evangelicals can shift between these points of view while reading the same Biblesola Scripturawhy is it such a shock that one can shift ones opinion about the meaning of Trent? Sorry for all the posts; I re-posted when my first one didnt show up. He has argued that the King James version has multiple translation errors. I will, however, say that his actions in posting those pictures, and attacking Francis Beckwith personally (insinuating that he is a liar, for instance), are just simply wrong. GL, Brett Jesus forgave those who repented. Guys, Sandys our Gnostic Troll, not a sincere Bible Christian. But its starting to look to me like almost everyone who White squares off against winds up feeling personally offended. Alpha omega tattoos can be represented in a number of ways. Alpha and Omega are the beginning and the end in tattoo symbolism and meanings. As far as Dr Beckwiths odd (unstated) humor, I can grant him that, but he took such great offense when people who dont know him took his words at face value and immediately violated his own admonition to charity by ascribing to Dr White the worst possible motives and attacking his character. As one I would really like to know the answer. Name Server: Isnt that a littleobsessive? White makes some sophisticated-looking objections about something one of his interlocutors has said or done. Please feel free to visit me at The Porters Lodge. There are Catholic apologists I admire for other aspects who also have manifested sharp tempers like me. Unless for some reason I swam the Tiber and didnt know it, then I couldnt be the one in a mob frenzy, as Im not exactly in the majority here. 1. not sane; not of sound mind; mentally deranged. Actually, Matthew, your comment doesnt hold much water. I dont hear that concern from James White. More information Greek Latin Roots - by james.r.hendricks.390 - Memrise More like this More like this If we cant just dust our sandals and walk away without a second look or a last word, then were not really dusting our sandals, are we. That is to suppress the eternal truth within to obtain a short-lived convenience without. We are not Sola Scriptura, but that does not mean that we do not believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God. with his own ad hominems. Arent you guys going to protest regarding THE DECEPTION by White & Co. BELIEVES the Gospel has eternal life, which can never be forfeited or Seriously, though, its time to pray for him. A Biblical Basis for the Immaculate Conception. It is wrong to do evil that good may come of it. That after I twice said that if you have questions, just ask them. And, as he is becoming more stupid, I can only imagine it as a sign that he is moving closer to Rome. Im happy you put genuine in quotation marks, so as you differentiate the Gospel of Romanism from the Gospel of Christ. His pride and absolute joy is his lovely wife Jessica and their 6 children. This calls into question the posters sanity. And who, pray tell, provides the checks-and-balances for those of you outside the walls? (Actually said by an Assembly of God preacher from New York on the Lamech No, O Threadhijacker, shes perfectly on topic. It is my hope that Catholics and Protestants can converse without all the rancour that Ive seen since I started blogging in October 2006. Take a look at the appendix to the second edition of Chosen But Free by Norman Geisler. Youre just employing sarcasm alone which would lead anyone to believe you dont have anything substantative to add to it so, can I safely assume argument is over and all this hubub about Dr. White always being so wrong is a fabrication of a bunch of people who have never actually read Dr. White to begin with? That is in plain English. Peter was given the Keys, and the power of loosing and binding. Ive seen several Akin supporters in these comments admit wrongdoing, lack of charity, etc., without backing down on their position. I get it now. Pray for me! He became Scholar-in-Residence at Apologia Church in Tempe, Arizona in 2018,[10][11] and was installed as one of the pastor/elders in 2019. In this video, White Tech City:Riverside The Pharisees were definitely into winning, but here they pulled a loser because they didnt get the kingdom concept, that its about the heart, not the housing, be it political, institutional, or otherwise. John D. Jorge Just as Mary said. Name above all names The evasion in the answer is obvious. Maybe you were under the impression that you were going to be in a safe place to just share your journey and not be challenged? 1) Believe in secret, private revelation. It was a distortion. I didnt see that Mary posted just above. St. Paul himself refers to the Church as built upon the foundation of the Apostles (Eph. Wanna try that one again? Even I, in this post, strayed into personal insult (and I apologize to Dr. White for those), but I will leave them to illustrate my point. Missed Vances post before I got out the door. how Satanic and corrupt all these new Andit worked. While I dont wish to hurt your arguement against Esau, I wasnt refering to Catholics when I said enjoy the freakshow. Using Dilbert would have been just as funny, if not more and then, if Catholics failed to laugh, Dr. White really could accused them of not having a sense of humor. But I dont think it *hurts* anyone to debate apologetics in this thread, Mr. Spock. Luke and his wife of over seventeen years, Cheryl, have two daughters Evangeline Grace and Eliana Faith. Maybe youre not an overzealous troll. If you must do something to feel more familiar, call me Fox like Esau has. Jimmy has publicly admitted errors and owned up to mistakes. because it is Gods revelation and His authority and he does not share or mediate that authority ever. So which is it? Did SDG actually say its gnostic or is it only what you say he said? . Barry- youre really grasping at straws. Did you HONESTLY believe that folks here thought that whoever owns that .org addy didnt know the address he was sending the traffic toward? Maccabees (II) Perhaps from your view of theology. GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers. May God grant us the grace and send the Holy Spirit to lead us to be ever more like Jesus. Sola Scriptura is Scripture used as the sole measure of faith. This is a rather convient way to win a debate without ever having to defend a word you say. That doesnt mean I refuse to read it (or excerpts of it). bill912, Christ did not choose only one disciple. Someone named Guardian posted a link to Jamewrwhite.org, it re-directs to Catholic Answers, three hours later Mr. White is ranting that we did it, and the threat kind of devolved into trying to explain that it would be a really stupid thing for someone pro-Catholic Answers to do. So Dennis been living under a rock for the past week? If youre referring to the photos, as someone mentioned above, it was White who got off topic, initiating those photos. You are assuming that Catholic Answers is *stupid* and that is frankly offensive. especially when you consider that Catholic Answers depend on donations, they would thus be very fastidious in keeping their name clean and reputable! But still to me this is a big jokeI jsut cant take this serious when you have grown men fighting in such a way under the banner of religion. Vile is a name a label using James Whites own words but disguised as a Islamic fundamentalist. lemmetry to summarize his points: I mean, what do you tell people who stumble onto the site looking for theological answers who have never heard of James White? Now, Mary, logic is uncharitable! Hes lived in Phoenix since 2015 and resides from sunny (and expensive) San Diego. Esau, What really is the Gospel? Lets be honest, if it were anyone other than him posting pictures like that people wouldnt be reacting in such a manner. Esau, Absolutely. As awful as it is, what he did shouldnt make anyone else treat him differently. Exercise patience. Carebear, comments like: Akin rips Whites attack on Beckwith, with some ad hominem involved. At any rate, folks need only consult the Amazing. And way more amusing than the actual photoshop. At that point its time to move on to more important things. the King James Bible, but they're ok with the new Satanic Bible PERversions!!! I guess youll need to ask him yourself whether its about the win. Sola Scriptura and the Early Church in Sola Scriptura! 18:18) Surely something must be visible to bind and loose, to be heard and obeyed. Some other event has no relevance to this discussion. Do you honestly think anyone could get away with saying Hey, I was only joking? Matthew Siekierski: Hah! For what its worth, jamesrwhite.org is registered to an anonymous user of mapname.com, as of 6 days ago. Glorious Lord. In that respect, I think White is right to say Do these folks really think that lying about me, slamming what I have written without showing the first bit of knowledge of it is supposed to attract me to this religion? Everybody here knows hes lashing out irrationally, and right or wrong, theres no reason to be an occasion of sin by provocation. I have no idea what youre talking about pertaining to the url. Please Lord God, heal the wounds he once received by the wrongful acts of someone else. He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone. Id have to give the victory to Dr. White. Try it just once and youll see. Altogether, this has got to be one of the best alpha omega tattoo designs available for you to use. 3.therefore the Bible is God? The Books of annals of the Kings of Israel The Talmud in Rabbinic eyes is the infallible interpreter of the Old Testament- and it leads them away from Christ, when if they would read it, like passages from Isaiah 53, Psalm 22 and myriads of others on their own, praying for God to illuminate scripture, they would come to Christ, as many have. I ask You Father to comfort my brother Theo, as he enters Your Courts trembling and contrite. Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED So no one should respond to Hittchens or Dawkins because they are sometimes offensive? However, I would like to make a suggestion. Characterize it pejoratively as such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though Alternatively, depending on your preferences, you can also choose a design like this. This was implied in the paraphrase of the Westminster Shorter Catechism, where Gods revelation is understood to be contained in full in the Old and New Testament. Calling him on it has nothing to do with hatred. OK, Lisa. Yikes. Ray, theres tension between the folks here and Mr. White because he accused a good man of lying on very slim grounds, then equated those who object to a murderous mob. And, by the bye,I am a United Methodist, not Catholic. Why not just say, God did it, since to attribute Gods work to mans work is unbiblical. But if it is legitimate to say that God used the distinctive personalities and historical circumstances of these figures to communicate his truth, then something can be both 100% Gods doing and human beings cooperate. 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So you, like the Protestants, decided for yourself what the Bible says. There is NO reason for a White disciple to point anyone to Catholic Answers, let alone build up some elaborate hoax to discredit the Catholics here. White is ridiculing people for asking him to be charitable. Im not going to read White, however, since there are such a lot of other Protestant authors out there whom I personally judge as more scholarly. There is nothing wrong with Whites assertion that God would know what he wrote (or inspired to be written), and that if he chose to he could name them all. Id like to note something amusing: Or may, just maybe, given that hes against ROMAN Catholics, hes refering to Roman Catholics? What Greg does here is take Beckwiths comments in one venue about his Lutheran professorsof whom Beckwith speaks respectfullyand juxtaposes them with radio comments in which the profs are not talked about at all and Beckwith is trying to make a point to Greg by employing hyperbole. Godwins Law holds that the longer an online discussion goes, the greater the odds of someone making a comparison to Hitler. Outsons.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to (amazon.com and or other merchants). You have reduced yourself to the status of a troll. 4. I would only add that I think I know where this comes from, or at least where the frustration comes from. The Question is, can they do anything about it? Im rolling laughing right now at the ignoring of the points raised This is obviously a waste of time. Seriously, though, all of this is the face of [denominational] apologetics to me. As an audience, they are not required to recognize it as humor, merely a failed attempt. Given that this wasnt what I said, I dont care about your opinion of it. No, you havent. Apologetics is the giving of a logical defense, yet Ive seen little of that. He is a professor with Grace Bible Theological Seminary, and a pastor at Apologia Church. Tech ID:DI_471115 You are at this probably quite impervious to argument, and logic. The Apostles were empowered by our Saviour to forgive sins: I guess were all waiting for something I have yet to see him list a point-by-point case from him on James Whites innocence based on the actual White v. Beckwith debate. No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. 2. God Bless. The vitriol and sarcasm tossed around the net these days is rather sad. 15 For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears they have been dull of hearing, and their eyes they have shut: lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 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